Question of the day (25th December).

Does fate exist? If so, do we have free will?

My answer:

As a Christian, I see fate as God’s will. Both God’s will and our free will definitely do exist. I believe that God is the one who takes care of what we call our fate, He is the one in control of our life and death, and He has a plan for our lives that’s best for us. However, we are also able to choose freely whether we want to live our lives according to His plan or pursue our own ideas and go against His will and He won’t stop us from that, although He can make different circumstances happen in our lives, which we may not necessarily always perceive as positive ones at the time when they happen, but which are meant to have positive outcomes for us eternally and maybe even during this life and which may prompt us to come back on the road that is the best for us or give us different kinds of grace that will help us with that in whatever way a specific person needs to be helped, but essentially the choice is ours whether we’ll choose to ignore/waste it or not and how we’ll use all that. I think it’s a huge responsibility. God of course knows in advance what decisions we’re going to make during our lives but that does not mean that everything that happens in our lives is God’s will simply because it happens.

How do you see it? πŸ™‚

11 thoughts on “Question of the day (25th December).”

  1. As an atheist, I haven’t come across anything that’s given me reason to believe that fate exists. I don’t believe we have entirely free will, as there are constraints due to things like our own capacity and experience.

    The Christian notion of good things being fate and bad things being free will has always struck me as an argument with a lot of holes in it. And that’s not intended to criticize your belief specifically; it’s just something about Christianity that’s never made sense to me. If God is actively intervening in the day to day to world, the idea that He would allow all kinds of horrific things to happen, and so many people to be needlessly tortured and killed, simply because people were stubbornly exerting their free will, seems absurd. If God knows right from the outset that Hitler is going to murder millions of people, and God is omnipotent, why would he step back and say go ahead, Hitler, it’s your free will, you go do your thing. If there’s fate, there’s fate, but it just seems far too convenient to selectively attribute only good things to fate.

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    1. It is a good point that our free will can be constrained by things, although I still think we do have it even then and are responsible to use it wisely as much as it’s possible in our situation, I am sure God doesn’t demand more from a person than they are capable of doing.
      I think it’s quite a generalisation to say that everything we do as a result of our free will is a bad thing – well maybe there are Christians who actually think so for some reason but I don’t think it is what Christian religion actually says and I don’t believe in it this way, although we surely do more evil than God does because he is only good so cannot do anything bad, so it may seem in such a stark contrast like we only do evil. –
      I understand that Christianity doesn’t make sense to a lot of people, it doesn’t even to Christians in a logical way, unless you were given some special grace to be able to comprehend the things that are pretty much impossible for a human mind to comprehend, but that’s the whole thing about faith that you’re supposed to believe in it without necessarily being able to see/understand it. The problem you’re raising with God allowing bad things to happen and fully willfully is also something that Christians struggle with too and that I used to do a lot myself and sometimes still do when I see a lot of suffering of other people which from our human point of view doesn’t make any sense. The only thing I can tell you about this is what I already wrote in the post that, while at the time of those things happening we may not necessarily have the same perspective on them as He does, He is allowing this evil to happen only to accomplish much more good from it later on. Sometimes some of this good may happen still during our life, other times all of it will be accomplished afterwards, or maybe even after the end of the world.
      It’s super difficult to think about all the horrid stuff going on in the world and just look at it stoically because “Oh well, God will make a lot of good out of it, someday”, and I see it must be even more difficult for someone like you who doesn’t believe at all. I only struggle less with it than I did before because something did actually happen in my life which seemed super rubbish at first but with time I saw that if it didn’t happen, a really good thing, many good things in fact, wouldn’t be able to happen.
      I explain it to myself kind of simplistically that it’s a bit like with very little children – because I imagine our brain abilities actually are similar to those of a child compared with God’s mind. – Let’s say a child is sick and feeling horrid, barely understanding any of what is happening to it, it probably is also very scared of all that. But, as if that wasn’t enough, suddenly mum takes it out of the warm bed into the cold air and drives somewhere even though it has no desire going anywhere at this point. And then someone jabs it with a needle and it hurts so much and the child doesn’t understand why people are hurting it as if it wasn’t hurting all over already from being sick. And then mum gives all those yucky syrups and stuff. A little child’s mind is only in the now, and, in a way, compared with the huge perspective God has on everything, the same is with us. So it makes all the sense in the world that it’s abstractive to think that some day, in a million years or God knows how long, literally, something good may happen out of all the atrocities that Hitler did. I guess we Christians are weird people who like to challenge our minds in unreasonable ways but I am also sure it will pay off. πŸ™‚

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  2. Does fate exist? If so, do we have free will? Why are the two mutually exclusive? Yes ‘fate’ exists (IMO), but it’s not some cut and dried thing. Depending on our free will (choices we make, decisions by others that impact us, unforeseeable natural disasters and a whole lot more), we can choose to make of all those factors what we will. Sometimes the situation is out of our hands and we can’t consciously make the earthquake or some idiot with a bomb change course, but it’s how we decide to act on the other end of the situation that determines our ‘fate’. I believe firmly in God, despite all the arguments I’ve heard to the contrary (no judgment from me about belief); and I believe He wants the best for me and for mankind in general. But, like any wise parent, He doesn’t always butt in and make decisions for us, He allows us to make mistakes, and endure trials that help us grow. What we do with this life we’re given is our own choice ultimately.

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    1. I totally agree with you on that fate and free will aren’t mutually exclusive at all, although I’ve heard people say things that would imply they are which is always a bit surprising to me, and I also agree that God is a very wise parent for us. πŸ™‚

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  3. I agree with your answer in a lot of ways!! More specifically, I’m of the belief that we do have free will, but that God tries to override it when we’re going off course. I think He uses angels, divine intervention, and intuition and other measures, like if you’re in the wrong place at the wrong time, and it’s not your fate. I also see fate as being more positive things that happen, like… suppose fate leads me to be in the right place to meet someone important to my life. That wouldn’t go against free will, because I’d be like, “Heck, yeah, sign me up for that!” And whenever humans commit atrocities, I remind myself that God couldn’t override it without removing the free will that He blesses us with.

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